I suffered through the 15 April 2012 The Magic Sandwich Show , all 9 parts . Two hours, ten minutes and 34 seconds of it.
Well, not really, in fact I enjoyed it very much.
Eric Hovind and Sye Ten Bruggencate are Presuppositional apologists who as a condition for “debate” demand that you accept that everybody knows the existence of God is true.
The main presupposition is that God exists and his word is true
Sye Ten Bruggencate
If we want to be intellectually honest, I am always going to go back to the circular argument that God reveals. How do I know? God reveals. How do I know? God reveals.
You can sum this up in the phrase The reason for reason is God. So end of discussion. Your reason comes from God and even if you deny the existence of God in your heart you know, as everybody does that he exists. You are lying to yourself or so the contend.
This kind of apologetic proves absolutely nothing and relies on…wait a minute…
You guessed it…Faith.
Well I am so sorry, but faith does not prove a thing.
They have no argument, are not willing to have a decent confrontation of ideas. Either you agree with their point of view or you are evading the truth that lies within your heathen heart. They have no desire for debate, all they want is to have a forum where they can do a monologue. A public place to proselytize. Reason has no place with this pair. As is true of Christian Presupposition Apologetics and any other line of “thought” that demands acceptance of a fixed idea before accepting debate. The scientific method is nonexistent to them.
I most surely empathized with AronRa’s frustration and had I been participating, might also have raised my voice at them. By the way AronRa must be commended on his effort given the time difference and his throat ailment. On the other hand, I believe that letting this couple of guys blow wind and expose themselves was a very good tactic, in line with this quote:
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
If you have time, I recommend that you give the whole 2 hours, 10 minutes and 34 seconds of the show a good look, and if not here is the video by Thunderf00t that pretty much puts it into a nutshell:
See you next time.