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I suffered through…2:10:34

I suffered through the 15 April 2012 The Magic Sandwich Show , all 9 parts . Two hours, ten minutes and 34 seconds of it.

Well, not really, in fact I enjoyed it very much.

Eric Hovind and Sye Ten Bruggencate are Presuppositional apologists who as a condition for “debate” demand that you accept that everybody knows the existence of God is true.

The main presupposition is that God exists and his word is true

Sye Ten Bruggencate

If we want to be intellectually honest, I am always going to go back to the circular argument that God reveals. How do I know? God reveals. How do I know? God reveals.

Eric Hovind

You can sum this up  in the phrase  The reason for reason is God. So end of discussion. Your reason comes from God and even if you deny the existence of God in your heart you know, as everybody does that he exists. You are lying to yourself or so the contend.

This kind of apologetic proves absolutely nothing and relies on…wait a minute…

You guessed it…Faith.

Well I am so sorry, but faith does not prove a thing.

They have no argument, are not willing to have a decent confrontation of ideas. Either you agree with their point of view or you are evading the truth that lies within your heathen heart. They have no desire for debate, all they want is to have a forum where they can do a monologue. A public place to proselytize. Reason has no place with this pair. As is true of Christian Presupposition Apologetics and any other line of “thought” that demands acceptance of a fixed idea before accepting debate. The scientific method is nonexistent to them.

I most surely empathized with AronRa’s frustration and had I been participating, might also have raised my voice at them. By the way AronRa must be commended on his effort given the time difference and his throat ailment. On the other hand, I believe that letting this couple of guys blow wind and expose themselves was a very good tactic, in line with this quote:

Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.

Napoleon Bonaparte

If you have time, I recommend that you give the whole 2 hours, 10 minutes and 34 seconds of the show a good look, and if not here is the video by Thunderf00t that pretty much puts it into a nutshell:

See you next time.


Family man, gamer, neurosurgeon, "Born Again 6.9 Atheist" and of course, Coffee aficionado

2 thoughts on “I suffered through…2:10:34

  1. Actually this is brilliant. why argue and reason by sound conventions of logic when you can just eep selling the message that the only reasonable grounds of the debate are those that grant your position at the outset. The audience/customer base is primed and ready for the coolaid, and this message empowers Christians everywher to declare victory without ever engaging the enemy.
    It’s brilliant!

    1. First of all, thank you for commenting.

      I agree that from a pragmatic view on the Christian side, it is so easy to go into that sort of pseudo argument. But it is really “lazy apologetics”.

      I rather have a person prove me wrong with the use of reason and logic, and that way we both learn something, than have somebody resort to a non-discussion.

      By the way, I am reading your post on Ten Little White Indians and am enjoying myself remembering one of my favorite movies when I was a kid ( A Man Named Horse).

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